In article >, iFodor > wrote:
>Micsoda pech! Szaszvari Peter (ugy nez ki) magyarnak szuletett, magyar nevet 
>visel, magyaranyanyelvu..egy szoval egy olyan neppel hozta ot ossze a sors, 
>amelyhez lelkileg semmi koze.  

Igen pontos meglatas ilyen tavolsagbol! Valoban minden hivatalos definicio 
szerint magyar vagyok. Semmilyen mas utlevelem nincs mint egy kek (illetve 
ketto kek, mert a magyar burokracia neha nem ad, neha ad kettot is) semmilyen 
mas nyelven nem tudok csak magyarul, azt viszont szenvedelyesen szeretem.
A fenti meglatasban meindazonaltal a "semmi" helyett "igen keves"  kifejezest 
tartanam jonak.

>Elkepeszto gyotrelem lehet az elete.  A verseket kenytelen magyarul irni, 
>Hamvast olvas, akit utal, magyarnak kell vallania magat nyugaton... Joval 

Az egyutterzes jolesik. Valoban nem tokeletes ez igy, megsem panaszkodom. 
Verseket mar nem irok, Hamvast nem utalom, hanem idegesit, megpedig pontosan 
azert amit K. T. is megfogalmazott valaszaban. Hamvasnak nagyon sokszor igaza 
latszik lenni. Megallapitasai ugyanakkor emocionalis alapokon nyugszanak, 
viszont "logikai" levezetesekkel igyekszik bizonyitani oket. Hamvas "logikaja" 
szamomra alkatomnal fogva zavaro.

>nehezebb helyzetben (magyaran - sza..ba) kerult, mint mondjuk az erdelyi, 
vagy a
>karpataljai magyar. Azokat legalabb a nyelv es a magyarsaguk osszekoti es 
lelki 

>tamaszt ad... 
>   De nem is olyan remenytelen a helyzet, csak meg egy kis kitartas kell... 
>Azert mar egy fontos lepest megtett - nyugatra menekult.  Lassan, 
>folyamatosan 

Egyelore nem sikeresen. A svajci kemeny torvenyek ertelmeben elobb utobb 
tovabb kell menekulnom, pedig szeretek itt. Ha van valamilyen otlete szivesen 
veszem. Mindenhez ertek kicsit, kulonosen jok az eredmenyeim vizszerelesben es 
vagonrakasban. 

>terjen at mondjuk az angolra,  a verseit irja angolul (mar egeszen jol 
megy...),
>sakkozgasson nyugati partnerekkel ( de azert a magyar Adorjant nagyon 
ajanlom, 
>hivja meg egy partira, kis fecsegesre is, lelkizesre, politizalasra...)
>Aztan talan meg  jot tenne, ha minnel tovabb menne egy idore, tavol a 
>magyaroktol, mondjuk  a bus-manok, vagy hottentottak foldjere. Biztos hogy 
>megszereti oket, hisz' meg egy ilyen utalatos nep nincs a vilagon...

A busmanok PR-je igen jo. Felek azonban, hogy nem tudnam megtanulni specialis 
nyelvcsattogtato beszeduket.

>   Nagyon sajnalom az ilyen meghasadt lelku embereket, es szerintem nekunk, 
>N.Forumosoknak mindent meg kell tenni, hogy ok megtalaljak ebben a vilagban a 
>helyuket, lehetoleg minnel messzebb tolunk...

Orulok, hogy talalkozom valakivel akinek biztos identitastudata van. 
"Forumos". Mondja, faj az nagyon?

>  Bevallom, egy pillanatra felmerult az a gondolat is hogy netan ezeknek a 
>szovegeknek sokkal prozaibb oka is lehet, modjuk -  egyszeru provokaciok. De 
nem
>hiszem...   (a kommunista erabol rank maradt uldozesi mania?..). Ilyen 
>mimozalelku, romantikus lovag koltonel ez kizart dolog...

Valo igaz. Bar volt egy kis uldozesim, ami csak itt Z.-ben mult el, sosem a 
komcsikat veltem a nyomomban lihegni. Azt vettem inkabb eszre, hogy SZERETETT 
HAZAM MAGYARORSZAG ugy ahogy vagyok nem tart igenyt ram. On szamara ez nem 
lehet meglepetes, nekem viszont az volt. Ugy gondoltam, egesz jol megtanultam 
a fizikat (nem tehetek rola) elmegyek tanitani, hatha valaki kivancsi 
ilyesmire. Bar kepesitesem kozepfoku, eme tevekenyseget rogton felsofokon 
sikerult megkezdenem. Munka volt tehat boven, egyszerubb volt benn aludni, 
mint minden ejjel hazamenni arra a nehany oracskara. A baj a kozertben 
kezdodott amikor kiderult, hogy munkam ellenerteke enyhen szolva nem 
versenykepes a tej megszerzeseert vivott harcban. Ma mar ez nem lenne ujdonsag 
Magyarorszagon, akkor viszont meg az utolso BKV jegyellenor is lekorozott.
Anyam utmutatasa alapjan eloszor magamban kerestem a hibat. Kesobb viszont 
amikor lattam, hogy kozepiskolai tanar nejemet is kirohogik a jobbmodu kolkok 
az isiben ha akar valamit, belattam, hogy az egyetlen hiba, hogy rossz fejjel 
szulettem. Tanarsegedkent tarsadalmi respektem a kukakutatokeval vetekedett, 
mar a villanyszerelo is hatalmas arengedmenyeket adott, mert mint mondta tudta 
milyen "sz..ban" vagyok.
Oktatas mellett fenmarado ures ejszakaimat szamitogepvezerelt meroberendezesek 
tervezesevel es eloallitasaval toltottem. Elso komoly gondolataim akkor 
tamadtak amikor egy amerikai vendegcsapat megtekintve egyik kb 100 Dollar 
anyagkoltsegu (es elenyeszo munkaber szamitando) produktumomat igy kialtott 
fel: De hiszen mi egy ilyenert Dollar tizezreket fizetunk!
Summa summarum en ugy konyvelek, engem a MAGYARHON "eltanacsolt". Nem 
haragszom, akire nincs szukseg az csak ne legyen sertodos.

Apropo, on miert nem ott kuzd a "Forum" helyett?

SzP.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

> Wally is involved in inventive wordplay.

In >
 (Gyorgy Kovacs)wrote:
:He claims to be creative, but he keeps the same misspellings over and
:over, and thinks that its poetry. 

What you think is irrelevent. What does matter is what his peers think and
consider to be poetry. You are in no way a peer. We know what our peers
think of our work. Largely what we post here in SCM is throwaway wit. We
are inventive with language. You are not. 

:Well, my little poor pseudo-poets (I know I used this before, but I'm not
:a poet either),

Everyone knows you are totally incapable of it.

:poetry is not about making up new words.

It is exactly that AND more. Making up new words is a creative act. It is
not poetry in and of itself, but it is an element of what poetry is about.

    "Literature seems to be intermediate between music and painting: 
    its words form rhythms which approach a musical sequence of sounds 
    at one of its boundaries, and form patterns which approach the
    hieroglyphic or pictorial image at the other. The attempt to get 
    as near to these boundaries as possible form the main body of what 
    is called experimental writing."
                            Northrop Frye, The Archetypes of Literature

    "In order to experience and participate actively in all the aspects
    of contemporary literature the student must be acquainted through
    records and concerts with
 (1) The tendencies of contemporary composers such as Stravinsky,
    Bartok, Schoenberg, Hindemith, Krenek, Milhaud, Copland, Varese
    and others. Their works offer an enlightening analogy to modern
    literature as well as to contemporary painting. Like cubism and
    constructivism, the modern polyphonic music, with its interwoven
    intricate traits, the experiments of the brutists ("noise-ists"
    pioneered by the futurist Luigi Russolo, 1913), will lead to an
    analysis of literary equivalents; to the
 (2) simultaneists, futurists, as they appear in the work of Guillaume
    Appolinaire, F. T. Marinetti, Vladimir Mayakovski and from there to the
 (3) expressionists and proto-surrealists: August Stramm, Lajos Kassak,
    Franz Kafka, Yvan Goll, Ezra Pound, Gertrude Stein, Jean Cocteau,
    Blaise Cendras, Bert Brecht, etc. to the
 (4) dadists: Tristan Tzara, Jean Arp, Hugo Ball, Richard Hulsenbeck,
    Kurt Schwitters, Ribemont-Dessaignes, etc., to the
 (5) surrealists and
 (6) James Joyce."
                         L. Moholy-Nagy, Vision In Motion (1947)

POESIE is derived from Greek "poiesis" and the latter in turn from "poiein"
meaning 'to make." 
                    -- Princeton Encylopedia of Poetry and Poetics, 1974
                       ISBN 0-691-06280-3, Princeton University Press

"The language of the age is never the language of poetry; except among the
French, whose verse, where the thought or image does not support it,
differs in nothing from prose. Our poetry, on the contrary, has a language
peculiar to itself; to which almost every one, that has written, has added
something by enriching it with foreign idioms and derivatives: nay,
sometimes with words of their own composition or invention. Shakespeare and
Milton have been great creators this way..."
                       Gray's letter to West, 1742, as quoted in
                       Princeton Encylopedia of Poetry and Poetics, 1974

What Wally, and myself, have been indulging in, is Poetic Licence. We have
it -- you don't. Therein resides our special ability to achieve Poetic
Justice against the bland mediocrity of your posts.

:Kids do it all the time.

Yes they do. Pity that you are incapable of doing what they can. Pity that
you lost your childish sense of wordplay. Joe Pannon kept his abilities at
creative childish wit. Bravo!

:The REAL poetry is when you can put together existing words in a manner
:pleasing to the reader. That might be the answer to your question:

Utterly stupid. You haven't a clue about poetry. Not a damn clue.

:> why Wally's two other books won't show up even from a universal library
:>ferrari search.
:
:They only keep poetry, not pseudo-poetry.

Yep, you haven't a clue. You admit that you are not a poet, but you know
all about poetry. Your life revolves around poetry. It has been steeped in
poetry. You have met with some masters and peers and discussed it through
javajunkie nights. You've attempted to write poetry. Yeh, RIGHT! You know
diddly about poetry. You are KoVACUOUS. VACUOUS!! Get it?

>It is not a spelling error -- it is inventive wordplay, an element of
>creativity.

:My deep blue eyes. Either of you still have to come up creating something
:USEFUL which is the measure of REAL CREATIVITY. Poetry can be useful, but
:your pseudo-poetry has a lot to improve to get there. Might help to learn
:the existing words before making up bogus ones. 

"Out of airy nothings a local habitation and a name."
                          -- William Shakespeare

Sadly, you are bereft of any understanding of poetry. My peers have
recognized that I have poetic abilities. It explains, in part, why I have
had three books of poetry published. The explanation why you have no books
published, nor even a piece of creative writing published in a
literary/arts journal is because you have neither ability nor understanding
of what creative writing is. Take it from one who has made a small mark in
this regard to one who has made no mark at all. Wooooiiiiie!!!! Stomping on
on baby blues floating in a pool vacuity. 

:Just to feed you some :ammo, I confess: after Petofi and Arany, my
:favourite poets are Jeno :Heltai and Jozsef Romhanyi.

Good poets.

:Wally Keeler wrote:
:>We spent a month on him in SCM and The Black Hole of Vacuity couldn't
:>bring himself to be inventive with language if his life depended on it.
:
:I would rather rely on REAL skills, than misspelling for life saving
:purposes.

I repeat: KoVACUOUS couldn't bring himself to be inventive with language
even for the fun it -- like children could. Note that there is not even a
shred of wit in his comeback -- just mediocrity!!!

Sorry fella, you couldn't even approach handling Poetic Licence.

:KoVACUOUS asks himself:
:Duh, what the heck is Poetic Licence? Can I get one for $1.95 at the OSU
:Library? I sure hope I don't have to demonstrate any creativity.

As I said: I got Poetic Licence, you don't.
Poetic licence is what this is all about. Wally exercises Poetic Licence
very well. And so do I. When you understand what Poetic Licence is, we'll
talk.

In article >,
Ira Wagmann > wrote:
>Mart Tarmak ) wrote:
>: Streit Roland > wrote:
>
>: >Hi all,
>
>: >I am making a study about racism on the world wide web. Currently, I am
>: >looking for URLs of sites that contain racist web-pages (nazi-sites,
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Did you include communist propaganda in the etc. or is it a purposeful
omission?


RV

PONTOZO '96 in New Jersey, New Brunswick
May 5 (Sunday)

Questions: call Papp Andrea
=09   (201) 694-5786
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=DCdv=F6zlettel,

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personal email     : 

In article >,
Brigitta Bali > wrote:
>Now, Goober, KoVACUOUS, think about why Wally's two other books won't show
>up even from a universal library ferrari search.

In article >
 (Gabor Barsai)wrote:
:Because Wally's a sexist pig? A tragedy of a human lie?

Obviously you didn't THINK.

:Wally wrote two books? Wow, I'm impressed...

Liar!

:Maybe you and Wally should look into Nahuatl or Quechua poetry.

I have no interest in that pARTicular exotica.

In article >,
Gyorgy Kovacs > wrote:
>Brigi,
>You don't have respect for real life, I don't have respect for contemporary
>poetry. Is that a sin? I don't think so.

Remember...your thoughts are "irrevelent" to Ms. Bili-Dili.

Gabor

In article >,
 > wrote:
>Brigitta Bali  wrote to Gabor (her true love):
>>Your health is irrelevent. Faludy George is healthy.
                 ^^^^^^^^^^
>>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -  You are Mr Bland Gland.
>>Still playing the role of the chauvinist octopus, Mr Bland Gland are we?
>YOUR opinion Mr Bland Gland -- also irrelevent.
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Mr Well HUNGary gushes:
>Gosh!  It could not get any better than this!
>I am rolling on the floor ...
>Bland Gland???  This one deserves the Oscar!

In article >
 (Gyorgy Kovacs) wrote:
|Yup, in the Most Repeated Stupidity category.
|By the way, Brigi, don't put down the dictionary yet. The underlined word
|is misspelled. But it's irrelevant. I thought only Wally was spelling
|challanged! NOT! (some poets)
 ^^^^^^^^^^\
            Following in my footsteps are we?
            Wow, egg on the face or what?
            Don't forget to wipe the bottom of your shoe before entering.
            Talk about being wit challenged! NOT! (some vacuity)
                 </hahaha>
                </heeheehee>
               </hardeeharhar>
              </yukyukyuk>
             </guffaw>
            O lordy lordy lordy
            I love the smell of Poetic Justice in the morning; it smells
            like victory!
Disregards
BB

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

>By the way, Brigi, don't put down the dictionary yet. The underlined word
>is misspelled. But it's irrelevant. I thought only Wally was spelling
>challanged!
 ^^^^^^^^^^
In >
 (Gabor Barsai)wrote:
:Oh, Gyuri, I would not expect too much of those mooseheads...ya know,
they're
:only Canadians.

Right over his head it went. Duh, what can we expect of a $19.95 education?
Goober Bland Gland wouldn't recognize an egg coming to his face
Duck? Not.

I would be extremely greatfull if you could translate this letter for me.
The man it's intended for, certainly regards them as very important, how stupid
 and simple the contents may seem.
Pisti is the hungarian head nurse of a psychiartic asylum in Romania and recent
ly got some death thraets by his nationalist-romanian personel.
I am a student and worked for four months in his institute and I'm a friend of 
him.
Could you please translate this for me ? Thanks a lot.


Dear Pisti,

How are you and your family?
I heard that Enikö went to Miercurea Ciuc because she did so well in the School
 Olympics.
And how is Zoly doing? Did he decide already to study in Târgu Mures?
And many kisses to Edith of course. She probably is jumping around again, witho
ut the plaster on her foot.
I heard from the Easter group that you felt more relax and not so afraid anymor
e. That's good. If we still can do something, just tell us.

I'm trying to finish my final report, but I found out 2 months ago that my prof
essor sent me to search in the wrong direction for the last two years.
Instead of Leuven all my documentation was in Brussels, so if spent the last si
x weeks going to Brussels.
I've done the research now, but this week the report had to be finished and I'v
e just started writing.
I've written about 35 pages untill now and I should have about 150, so that wil
l keep me busy till july or august.
And I still have four examinations to do.

I saw An yesterday.
She's fine, but she also can't finish her report before this summer.
Next week we'll go to our professor to talk about our four months'work in Gheja
, so I'm very curious about it.
I'll let you know.
Her father was operated again last friday.
It's his fourth operation since his train accident in Ludus: an emergency opera
tion in Târgu Mures, the implant of a piece of artificial skull in october, in 
Belgium, the implant of a drainage of brain liquid in december and this time, t
he removal of a brain infection that was treated with 8 different antibiotics f
or 4 months without succes.
It all sounds very dramatic, but he is an miraculously strong man -so all the d
octors say.
His capacities didn't suffer from the last two operations, they stayed at the s
ame level. His speech therapy is very good, he walks and talks, although not fl
uently. His memory is really excellent; when I go visit him, he remembers more 
than I do about what I told him last times, it's just so hard for him to talk.
Anyway, the last operation was a succes, the infection was surgically removed.

So this year I'll finish my studies and go look for work.
I'll surely be coming to you this summer, but I don't know exactly when.
I also would like to come working for a longer period in Gheja, but I don't kno
w how.
Anyway, I can't promise you anything, because there are too many questions to b
e answered: paying my social assurance in Belgium, transportation costs, I'm no
t a psychiatrist but a pedagogue, my parents will not exactly like this etc.

And then some bad news.
There has been some fighting within our project, and Karen and Yvan decided tha
t Karl Dobbelaere should be kicked out of the students' project.
Karl disagrees with this off course, and I too.
The accusations against him, mainly the emotional abusing of Hildegard, were ve
ry severe and -according to me- certainly not proven.
That's why I decided not to work within this project for a while, so I won't co
me to Romania with the august group like I planned.
Instead I will come on my own, in july or august.
I can still get along fine with most people, like Lin or Karen or Johan or Brec
ht, but I think the project is going the wrong way by expelling people on very 
weak grounds.

So, thanks to the person who translated this for me via Internet, and see you a
ll this summer!


See you,

Karcsi.

P.S. Also many greetings to Tanti Buba, Mama Ana, Baby and Sissi!

Brigitta Bali > wrote:
>
>Wally showed me (I was looking over his shoulder at the time) your OJ
>Killfile comment. I think you were up for an Emmy on that one. 

Careful with those praises, Brigi, 'cause they earn me a barage from the
other direction. ;-)
But thanks, anyway.

Joe

Brigi,
Thank you for keeping the dictionary handy, just wanted to make sure you have
something to write about. You did not really think that I let anything out of 
my keyboard without spellchecking it first. Mainly after pointing out that 
Wally can't spell either! BTW: I don't have to be good in spelling! Remember: 
I am not a poet. I read your garbage, but your references fail to prove your 
point (i.e. poetry=making up words). So as long as you think that poetry is the
only kind of creativity, we are just wasting each other's and everybody else's
time. Do you at least remember what was the origin of this war? (Budapest not a
Gay Resort, Are there any chicks in the newsgroup?)
You don't have respect for real life, I don't have respect for contemporary 
poetry. Is that a sin? I don't think so.
Best Regards:
              Gyorgy Kovacs     (preferred spelling)
              George Kovacs     (alternate spelling)
              Gyuri             (when I want to save time)
              GK                (when I'm too busy)
              Gayorgy KoVACUOUS (when you can't spell or are frustrated)

Failchawey wrote:
> 
> R0498 wrote:
> >
> > In Malay "I love you" would be
> > " Aku Chinta Padamu"
> 
> Sij laigalaw mako shighil
> 
> GET A LIFE PEOPLE


Yeah, a life!!

In article > AND Books, 
writes:
>language makes our identity (see Whorf, Piaget, Chomsky et al)... 

Well, what about the Swiss identity then ?

Tamas

In article >,
   T. Kocsis > wrote:
>In article > AND Books, 
>writes:
>>language makes our identity (see Whorf, Piaget, Chomsky et al)... 
>
>Well, what about the Swiss identity then ?
>
>Tamas

Well, knowing Schwitzerdüütsch works better than a red passport with a white 
cross on it.

SzP.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

Brigitta Bali > wrote:
>Your health is irrelevent. Faludy George is healthy.

In >
 (Gabor Barsai)wrote:
:What is this garbage? "Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated"?

And what is this toxic waste (contrabland) that you wrote Mr Bland Gland:
         :Who is it, that makes me feel oogy,
         :Only you, my dear, sweet Brigi.
         :
         :Reggel nem tudok enni, mert Rad gondolok,
         :Delben nem tudok enni, mert Rad gondolok,
         :Este nem tudok enni, mert Rad gondolok,
         :Ejjel nem tudok aludni, mert ehes vagyok.
         :
         :Hahahahaha!
         :Oh, I'm just soooooo good!

:>:Goober declares:
:>:(but, alas, I am not a poet)
:>
:>Of you have no capability. You are Mr Bland Gland.
:
:Does oo spik Inglish? You are talking about an interest which is not there.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\
                      A failed attempt at wordplay

:>:and some sexist remarks from Wally (in reference to Mrs. Smith)
:>
:>Still playing the role of the chauvinist octopus, Mr Bland Gland are we?
:
:Well, I never made a sexist remark.

True -- you are unremarkable.

:>Because OSU provides you with a $19.95 education. What could you expect.
:>Try a real university library Mr Bland Gland.
:
:Well, this is the largest campus in the US, a real country, unlike Canada.

For $19.95, I guess that's all that could be expected as a comeback.
If "large" is how you define real, please note:
    United States: 9,428,692 sq km.
    Canada:        9,970,610 sq km.

Brigitta Bali > wrote to Goober:
>Your health is irrelevent. Faludy George is healthy. 
>Of you have no capability. You are Mr Bland Gland.
>Still playing the role of the chauvinist octopus, Mr Bland Gland are we?
>YOUR opinion Mr Bland Gland -- also irrelevent.
>Because OSU provides you with a $19.95 education. What could you expect.
>Try a real university library Mr Bland Gland.
>I don't care Mr Bland Gland.

In article >
 Mr Well HUNGary gushed:
:Gosh!  It could not get any better than this!
:I am rolling on the floor ...
:Bland Gland???  This one deserves the Oscar!

Bland Gland! Oooo the secretions! Ovay! No wonder Goober's postings are as
banal as a second-gland condom. (It's zingers like this that give me
goosebumbs all over)

Wally showed me (I was looking over his shoulder at the time) your OJ
Killfile comment. I think you were up for an Emmy on that one.

In article >,
Brigitta Bali > wrote:
>            O lordy lordy lordy
>            I love the smell of Poetic Justice in the morning; it smells
>            like victory!
>Disregards
>BB

Well, Ms. Bili, ooops, I mean liBa, darn, your pathetic justice
smells like your name implies: a bili.

>:Oh, Gyuri, I would not expect too much of those mooseheads...ya know,
>they're
>:only Canadians.
>
>Right over his head it went. Duh, what can we expect of a $19.95 education?
>Goober Bland Gland wouldn't recognize an egg coming to his face
>Duck? Not.

Nah, you seemed to miss the whole point of Bally Feeler's simplistic posts. I
call my work creative, witty. So I take no responsibility for it (seems to me,
whenever I write to you, bili always comes up...but only at your name). This is
what Bally Feeler implies. Bally Feeler makes sexist remarks...yet you call him
witty...when you fell into my trap of remarking my biased remark, I'm a duck.
Aren't you using double standards, Ms. Bili?
You write corny poetry (Nem tudom miert beszelek neked
csillagokrol...PUH-LEEEEEEEEEEEZE, is this used in Bizarro-world as flirting?
It certainly ain't used on Earth...except by babbling simps, dolts and utter
morons), yet you say I got a $19.95 education (CDN or USD?). Did you get an
education at all, or does stupidity come nat'cherally to vous?
Bally says that the beaver is Canada's national animal. Do you have a beaver?

Tu amante:

Gabor

It's a very good pattern... In this way all Romanian citizens will learn ar
ound 
ten languages (concerning those of national minorities) among other two or thre
e 
international languages. In Hungary, also, all Hungarian citizens will learn ap
rox. 
ten languages. Most interesting, in U.S.A., the American citizens will have to 
learn 
 more than 100 languages...

    Congratulations!

    We are waiting for other similar good thinking.

    Sincerely yours, Valerius M.Ciuca, N.D.Univ.

In Danish:

"Jeg elsker dig."


-=Lord Sludge=-

Brigi wrote:

>:KoVACUOUS asks himself:
>:Duh, what the heck is Poetic Licence? Can I get one for $1.95 at the OSU
>:Library? I sure hope I don't have to demonstrate any creativity.

That's just an other lie.

>As I said: I got Poetic Licence, you don't.
>Poetic licence is what this is all about. Wally exercises Poetic Licence
>very well. And so do I. When you understand what Poetic Licence is, we'll
>talk.

I think I do. It's when you are cought to be stupid or telling lies, you 
quickly say: "I'm a poet, I can do this!" and think people will buy it. Wally 
does it, you do it, I don't. I don't need to. I'm creative wihout twisting 
words.
Truly,
GK

In article >,
Gabor Barsai > wrote:
>Gyorgy Kovacs > wrote:
>>Brigi,
>>You don't have respect for real life, I don't have respect for contemporary
>>poetry. Is that a sin? I don't think so.
>Remember...your thoughts are "irrevelent" to Ms. Bili-Dili.
>Gabor

I know, I just can't help trying to lead this poor lost lamb to a richer 
pasture. My good heart is going to kill me some day.
Gyuri

In article > Peter Szaszvari,
 writes:
>Well, knowing Schwitzerdüütsch works better than a red passport with a white 
>cross on it.

I am talking about four to eight (depends on how many Romansch we
count) languages...

Tamas

In article >,
   T. Kocsis > wrote:
>In article > Peter Szaszvari,
>I am talking about four to eight (depends on how many Romansch we
>count) languages...
>
>Tamas
Yes, it is really interesting. The first impression used to be that they speak 
3-4 languages. Taking a closer look it turns out that they have not a real 
mother tongue. I may be wrong but my experience is that the communication is 
very limited to practical things, and they don’t seem to know a proper word 
for many cases. Generally they have no time to learn any language in depth.

SzP.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

I've been wondering why Mr. Keeler (and his alter-ego Ms B. Bali, if 
in fact Ms B. is a true person and not just Mr. Keeler's invention 
in order...it wouldn't be fair for me to "speculate" on this)looms so 
frequent (not necessarily large though) on soc. culture.magyar. So this 
morning I tallied up the displays on this news group and found that out 
of the total of 120 or so entries roughly 28 are generated by comments by 
Mr. Keeler (& his "Doppel-ganger" (double) or "Schlamil" -my remarks are 
tongue-in-cheek -esoteric literary references aren't Mr. Keeler's 
monopoly!) and reactions to his/her fatuosities, inanities. The whole 
together create a sort of cyberspace "Who is afraid of Virginia Wolff" 
atmosphere. This is the sort of atmosphare you might find in the 
stuffy, old fashioned English Department of a faraway provincial 
university, let's say in Nova Scotia or Prince Edward Island)
I've thought I might contribute to the resolution of Mr. Keeler's right 
to claim the "presidency" to the People's Republic of Poetry", etc. by 
running a check on all the major library databases (ARLIN, OCLC, etc.) 
and consulting all the major national catalogs (NY Public Library, 
Library of Congress, etc.) and found only 1 (and not 2!) title associated 
with his name (he could, of course, have published under assumed names 
too). The work is titled: Walking on the Greenhouse Roof. Published in 
Montreal, by Delta Canada, in 1970. It's a booklet of 109 p. and is of 20 
cm. in length. Alas, no library in my neighborhood owns it so I cannot 
comment on the quality of his poetry based on that book. I might remark 
here that I am not heavily into literature but on the basis of the 
fragments of his poetry Mr. Keeler realesed on the Internet it's pretty 
banal and pathetic. I would presume Mr. Keeler to be around at least 45 
years old and wonder "miert nem not meg be a feje lagya" so far, why has 
he not "published" since (especially since he lives in the People's 
Republic of Poetry! O, what a joke. If he takes it seriously that's 
pretty sad). And it's probably not his ego -since it's rather large- that 
prevents him.
Anyway, those of you who might be lucky to live close to the following 8 
libraries which hopefully still hold a copy of Mr. Keeler's book, would 
have the chance to read it and share your opinion. The librarues are: the 
Library of Congress (Washington, D.C.), and the following university 
libraries: SUNY Buffallo and Stony Brook, Pennsylvania State, Brown, 
Columbia's Butler L., Colorado State, and U. of Calif., Santa Barbara.
Enjoy it.

In article >, "%FNAME%"
> wrote:

> To think that language is the issue here, is at least naive.  
> The Jewish minorities in Romania, for example have no territorial 
> claims, or demands on schooling in any particular language yet 
> they have and still are the object of hate actions.  This applies 
> to other minorities as well.

To say that there is *one* issue here is truly naive. Yes, there are
other things going on inside Romanian besides a language dispute. Yet
I don't think that this fact in any way disproves the idea that language
disputes aren't a major cause of current hungarian-romanian tension. 

> Romanians have been rather harsh on minorities because they 
> could get away with it.  Let's take for example the Ottoman occupation. 
>  It is during this time that the famous saying "The head that bows, the 
> spade cuts not".

Actually it's the sword cuts not. But that isn't nearly as important as
the utter unwillingness to look at Romanian resistance to Ottoman and other
occupations. To ignore historical figures as Mihai Viteazu, Stefan cel 
Mare, and Vlad Tepes as examples of Romanian resistence is either a woeful
lack of information on a subject that you are talking about or a willing
distortion of the facts.

> They couldn't even start their own revolution for God's sake.  They had 
> to piggyback on Tokes' supporters.  

Yes, it's funny how those bigoted, anti-minority Romanians came to the
defence of a hungarian pastor from a sect that very few Romanians believed
in at the time. What could they have been thinking? Perhaps love for their
fellow man, death to the tyrant, or even defend a broader christianity 
against godless communism? But no, that couldn't happen in your world
view. That would make Romanians human and perhaps even likeable figures.

> A great deal of this ethnocentrism is motivated by the historical 
> perception that Latin roots are superior to Magyar or Slavic roots (I am 
> not exactly sure where this comes from). 

Tautological reasoning is never very illuminating except of the capacities
of the person using it. ethnocentrism is the idea that your ethnicity is
better than other ethnicities. So romanian ethnocentrism to whatever
extent that it does exist would have to have a historical perception
that Latin roots are superior to Magyar or Slavic roots. If it didn't
then it wouldn't be ethnocentrism.

> Thr truth is that Romania never deserved Transylvania, the political 
> manipulation of which merely had to do with the fact the Romania 
> switched sides during the war, as always eager tp side with winners 
> regardless of the moral implications.  

Your use of the term "the war" is unclear and gives me a clue that you 
might not be as knowlegeable on the historical facts as you like to 
pretend.

A short synopsis of war events that led to Transylvania's current status.

pre-WW I - 
Romania did not have Transylvania

World War I - Romania started and finished the war on the allied side. 
During the war, it bowed to superior german arms and concluded a separate
peace with the central powers to avoid annihilation. Towards the end of
the war, when it could, it rejoined the allied fight and probably saved
the lives of many English, French, American, and Italian soldiers by 
drawing central power troops away from their fronts. Romania was awarded
Transylvania after the war.

interbellic period - 
Romania did have Transylvania

World War II - Romania lost Basarabia to the Russians and was scheduled
to lose all of Transylvania to the Hungarians. Romania entered into the
side of the Axis in order to save at least the southern half of Transylvania
and to regain Basarabia through conquest. Again when it was clear that
Romania would be unable to gain her wartime aims she concluded a separate
peace but this time immediately switched sides in exchange for a promise
that she would be restored "in whole or in part" Transylvania. Hungary
was also given a chance to keep part of Transylvania if she would surrender.
Hungary didn't take the deal while Romania did. Romania was restored 
Transylvania after the war.

post WW II - 
Romania did have Transylvania 

While yes, there was an instance of switching sides in the second round
of Transylvanian territory wrangling, the first round went to Romania 
without any such switching sides. 

Romania's policy during WW II was not the best one. But it was very close.
She had lost territories due to both of the Great Powers in her 
neighborhood's machinations. She tried to get both back and succeeded in 
one instance. If Gen. Antonescu had not gone on past the WW I boundaries 
of Romania all the way to Stalingrad, Romania might have had a chance at 
maintaining a Swedish type neutrality and when the German collapse began 
even gotten back all of Transylvania through the force of her own arms. 

This was the strategy that was advocated by Iuliu Maniu of the PNT but 
like many roads not taken, it remains a reminder of lost opportunities.

> I do wish all Hungarians that Transylvania will someday enjoy the status 
> they desire. 

The question remains, what do they desire? There are irredentists who 
wish for Transylvania to be attached to Hungary. There are moderates who
merely wish for a cultural tradition that is kept alive inside Romania.

So which status do you support?

DB

-- 
Now available on the Romanian Political Pages
The only net copy of the Romanian constitution in Romanian
http://haven.ios.com/~dbrutus

In article >,
 > wrote:
>On the other hand, your problem with him started out pretty innocently
>when you could not cut some slack for Wally's notorious habit of
>engaging in word plays.  By protesting, you only opened yourself for an
>easy target.
>Joe
Yes, it was fun! It just became boring when he failed to show any trace of 
logic. He kept looking for something and I kept looking for something else. 
(Creativity and logic respectively). But it was still fun! I had to give him an
easy target, he is unable to hit a tough one.   :-)
GK

In article >,  > wrote:
>Brigitta Bali > wrote:
>>
>>Wally showed me (I was looking over his shoulder at the time) your OJ
>>Killfile comment. I think you were up for an Emmy on that one.
>
>Careful with those praises, Brigi, 'cause they earn me a barage from the
>other direction. ;-)
>But thanks, anyway.
>
>Joe
Yup, and poor Joe ends up in a crossfire without deserving it    ;->
GK

I am interested in learning Hungarian in either Debrecen, Szeged, or 
Budapest. Would prefer to enroll in language courses for foreign 
students. I would appreciate any advice, suggestions, tips, addresses -in 
fact any kind of help. I already have a beginner's level of 
conversational and written Hungarian. I am a recent graduate of the 
History Department of Stanford University.
My name is Jon Gifford. Please contact me through my friends email 
address ) or my own fax machine 
(415-321-9806). Thanks very much in advance. Jon.

Hello Anybody!

   Tudom, hogy nem a legjobb helyen kereskedem, de segítséget kérek. 42
éves (himnemü),  vagyok, Dél-Svédországban lakom. A magyar Web oldalak egy
részét keresztbe-kasul bejártam, (nagy többsége számomra kicsit
csalafinta, az ember soha nem tudja hol köt ki) de csak a fenti
"newsgroup"-ra találtam rá ezidáig. (Szégyenlem magam, de a magyar
számítógépes parancsokat és kifejezéseket nem ismerem, ezért a
továbbiakban az angol megfelelöjével helyettesítem be.) Ha lenne olyan
kedves valaki és felhomályosítana más magyar csoportok címéröl, nagyon
hálás lennék.

   Magamról: A munkahelyen általában PC-vel dolgozom, ami jobbára CAD
rajzokra és CAM programmozásra korlátozódik, vagy ha éppen valami nagyon
érdekes programmot találok betöltöm itthon a fiam PC-jébe és elbohóckodom
vele. 
   Az én számítógepem egy Macintosh Performa 450, 16 Mb RAM 960 Mb HD,
USRobotics Sportster 28.8 modém és egy-két egyéb kiegészítö. Hobbim a
"Desktop Publishing", különbözö grafikus programmok, valamint megoldási
lehetöségek felkutatása, hogy tehetem kompatibilissá A PC-n és Mac-on
készített munkákat minöségromlás nélkül. Különben mindenevö vagyok,
letöltök minden "Shareware"-t és "Freeware-t" ami érdekesnek látszik,
kipróbálom, találtam egy-két igazi gyöngyszemet, persze nagy része a
"szemétkosárban" köt ki. Idönként szivesen elegerészek az Interneten. A
programjaim kb. 1/3-a svéd, 2/3-a angol nyelvü.

A fentiekböl következtetve tehát keresek olyanokat:
   ‹ akik Mac-al dolgoznak,
   ‹ más, ha lehet kimondottan magyar témával foglakozó csoportok cimét,
   ‹ általában tippeket csoportok, vagy Web oldalak címéröl, ahol pezseg
az élet és érdekes témával foglakoznak.

   Elöre is köszönet a válaszért: Zoli
Ha valaki hajlandó a RE: válaszon kivül E-mail-t küldeni, címem a következö:

         
vagy  

3 words? not always so (i.e. in Italian you dont need to use the subject, it's
already in the tense).

>"Jeg elsker dig."
this was Danish I guess. (I love Denmark btw)

I add:

"Jag Älskar Dig" - Swedish (I love Sweden btw :))
"Ti Amo" - Italian (I am Italian, btw)
"Je T'Aime" - French
"S'Agapo" - Greek
"Te Amo" - Spanish (not sure)
"Ich Liebe Dich" - German

hmm.. no need to impress a girl this way 8-)
Just watch her in the eyes and kiss her... 9-)

It always worked for me :)



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Ladies and Gentlemen:

I recognize the Magyar need to confront and debate. Was it not said after the B
alkan wars (1910-1912), that war 
was inevitable because the Hungarian language lends itself to confrontation and
 not rational debate? There's 
truth there. Like Unitarians, Hungarians would rather talk about heaven than go
 there! Suggest? The InterNet is 
too expensive for you to be using it as you private coffeehouse! Stop talking a
bout bread and start baking it! 

Note: Isten save me from poets who dabble in politics. These are two completely
 different worlds...neither 
necessarily evil. It's a pity we can't tell the difference. Remember Bela Kun? 
Lofty principles do not BUILD 
societies, they only provide the philosophical underpinning for the really dirt
y work. Who has dirt under his 
(her) fingernails?

Jo regelt, guys!