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1 Re: Bela Kun. (mind)  28 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tran (mind)  7 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: Cenzura az Interneten - Kerdes (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Cenzura az Interneten - Kerdes (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: Bela Kun (mind)  45 sor     (cikkei)
6 Baloghok modszere (mind)  50 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tran (mind)  38 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: Bela Kun. (mind)  17 sor     (cikkei)
9 Internet cenzura (mind)  31 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: Cenzura az Interneten - Kerdes (mind)  32 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tran (mind)  18 sor     (cikkei)
12 Is that highway paved with gold? (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
13 Re: Bela Kun. (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tran (mind)  1 sor     (cikkei)
15 Re: Lehet-e cenzurazni az Internetet? (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)
16 Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tran (mind)  18 sor     (cikkei)
17 Lehet-e cenzurazni az Internetet? (mind)  35 sor     (cikkei)
18 Re: Bela Kun. (mind)  26 sor     (cikkei)
19 Re: Bela Kun (mind)  40 sor     (cikkei)
20 Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tran (mind)  1 sor     (cikkei)
21 Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tran (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)
22 Rosy Barsony (mind)  9 sor     (cikkei)
23 Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tran (mind)  31 sor     (cikkei)
24 Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tra (mind)  22 sor     (cikkei)
25 Borneo (mind)  1 sor     (cikkei)
26 Szellemi salakozon! (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)
27 Re: "I love you" in many languages (mind)  65 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Bela Kun. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Jan 03, 1996 09:03:40 in article <Re: Bela Kun.>,
 ()' wrote: 
 
 
>Dorin Taranul > wrote: 
>  The pre-Kun Karolyi government, out of 
>perhaps misguided gesture to the neighbors, disarmed Hungarian solders 
>returning from the front, in the midst of such slogans as "I don't want 
>to see any more soldiers." 
 
While it is true that Karolyi diarmed the Hungarian soldiers partly to show
his pacific intent, it is also very definitely true that he also feared
their revolutionary elements.  (He did have the examples of Vienna and
Berlin, after all.) 
 
> It was an irony then, that the communists, who did not really 
>have a popular support, could muster a rag-tag army to throw against the 
>attacking neighbors all around.  The Czechs were routed by them, but by 
>the time they turned their attention to the Romanian threat, the 
>people came to hate the communists more than the external threat.  So it 
>was no big feat for the Romanians to defeat such an army.  Therefore it 
>would be a mistake to make far reaching conclusions from such a victory. 
 
Exactly who do you think is suggesting that Romania should invade Hungary? 
But, given that Romania's population is twice Hungary's I don't think that
there is much question who would win such a war. 
 
Alexander
+ - Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tran (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

> In Arabic:
> "I love you" :  'd-daish 7seebak bil-bank


Huh? Says who?
In Arabic (Kuwaiti accent) it's: (said to male) ehibak
                                 (said to female) ehibich
+ - Re: Cenzura az Interneten - Kerdes (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In >  (Peter Szaszvari)
writes: 

>Hogy a fenebe lehetne az Internetet cenzurazni?
>
>Valaszaikat, barmilyen reszletesek is, izgatottan varom, SzP.
>--------------------------------------
>Peter Szaszvari
>http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm
>--------------------------------------
>

Peter,

Have you heard about Compuserve in Germany? That seems to be the way it
could be done...Though, I don't think it'll stick very long.
Personally, I think it will remain free in the long run. It's just
undergoing some growing pains.

Chairman Mao
+ - Re: Cenzura az Interneten - Kerdes (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Mike Hammer  > wrote:
>
>Have you heard about Compuserve in Germany? That seems to be the way it
>could be done...Though, I don't think it'll stick very long.
>Personally, I think it will remain free in the long run. It's just
>undergoing some growing pains.

Fortunately it only affects CompuServe users.  But think of what may be
in store for us when the whole Internet backbone is privatized as
CompuServe is. 

Joe
+ - Re: Bela Kun (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Jan 03, 1996 04:22:39 in article <Re: Bela Kun>,
 ()' wrote: 
 
>DBrutus > wrote: 
>> 
>>Question, When did the US cease to be British territory? 
>> 
>>a.  1776 
>>b.  1783 
>> 
>>Most people would say 1776. That is, in fact why Americans spent 1976 
>>celebrating their bicentenial. Of course, you were out there celebrating 
>>in 1983 weren't you... 
> 
>I see, Brutus, you are trying to be relevant to the Americans.  Too bad 
>your analogy is so irrelevant.  For I never heard the Brits referred to as

>invaders between '76 and '83.  Not to mention any superpowers above 
>those two that enforced the secession.  
 
Joe: 
 
Austria-Hungary was one of the Great Powers.  Other Great Powers (France,
Britian, America) forced her to relinguish those of her provinces where the
majority wished independence.  Great Britain was a Great Power.  Other
Great Powers (France, and to a lesser extent, Spain) forced her to
relinguish those of her provinces where the majority wished independence. 
The analogy is much more relevant than you wish to admit. 
 
>But the real issue is none of the above, in any case.  It's the time 
>when the new borders were recognized by international law.  And that was 
>from the signing of the Trianon Peace Treaty.  Up unil then Transylvania 
>was simply a Romanian occupied Hungarian territory, unilateral Romanian 
>declarations notwithstanding. 
 
Not at all.  Hungary signed an Armistice based on the Fourteen points. 
Point number ten initially promissed "the peoples of Austria-Hungary...the
freest opportunity for autonomous development."  But, by the time of the
Hungarian surrender, it had been modified to provide for complete
independence in lieu of autonomy.  Hungary knew that her surrender meant
that she would lose those of her provinces where a majority of the
population was not Magyar; Transylvania was clearly one of those provinces
that she would lose. 
 
Alexander
+ - Baloghok modszere (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Az olvasok kivalo peldat kaptak arra, milyen is a Balogh-fele
SZDSZ-modszer. Balogh Eva nem csak a teljes nyilvanossag elott,
de meg az OMRI-szervezetnek is bemoszerolva LOPAS-sal ragalmazta
a "Nemzet"-et, azzal hogy

1) a Nemzet-nek nincs engedelye az OMRI anyag utankozlesere
2) a Nemzet november 1-i szama az OMRI-forrast nem jelolte meg

A Nemzet viszont racafolt a nyilvanos ragalmazasra es becsuletsertesre;
lekozolte az OMRI levelet arrol hogy a Nemzetnek *VAN* utankozlesi ira-
sos engedelye.

A meg szennyesebb es primitivebb ragalmazast, hogy a november 1-i szam
nem jeloli meg az OMRI forrast, a TELJES ANYAG lekozlesevel cafoltam.
Mindenki lathatta, hogy Balogh Eva vagy nem olvasta vegig az anyag ALJAN
kozolt hivatkozast, vagy pedig tudatosan elhagyta az anyag masodik felet,
hogy eltakarja az ott megjelent hivatkozast. Barmelyik ocsmany.

Ezek utan ha Balogh tisztesseges volna, miutan hazug ragalmazasokon
kapta'k, csupan ket dolog lenne hatra
1) elismerni hogy ragalmazasai igaztalanok voltak
2) elnezest kerni a nyilvanos becsuletsertesert.


Az SZDSZ-modszer persze nem ez - hanem egyszeruen "kicenzurazni" es/
vagy ignoralni (stonewalling) azokat a nyilvanos vitabol, akik valami
Nagy Hazugsagra ramutatnak. Ezt teszi az egesz "kek media" Szatmarival,
aki lerantotta a leplet Peto Ivanek hazugsagarol, hogy "semmi kozuk"
nem volt a taxisblokadhoz (holott szemelyesen Peto szervezte).
A "kek media" most egyszeruen megprobal nem tudomast venni Szatmarirol
es szenzacios beolvasasairol.

Amikor pedig en Szatmari irasabol a "kek" sajtohegemoniarol bekuldtem
(haromszor!) a HIX-Forumnak, a tulajdonos egyszeruen kitoltott MINDENKIT
aki azt a domain-t hasznalja, mint en. Maig is "tabu" Szatmari a
Forumban!

Amikor pedig lelepleztem Balogh Eva elkepesztoen primitiv hazug
ragalmazasat (hogy a Nemzet nov.1-szamat o" ugy "idezte", hogy elhagyta
a referenciat tartalmazo befejezest), most meg Balogh Eva "all az erdo
felol"  -- "nem hajlando semmi kommunikaciora"!  (Kivalo pelda mutatni
a magyar mondas "es meg o all az erdo felol" bolcsesseget; Balogh
miutan hazug ragalmazason kapta'k, eltunik az erdoben)

Termeszetesen nem kivanok Balogh Evaval nyilvanosan kommunikalni
        MIUTAN ELNEZEST KER NYILVANOS BECSULETSERTESEIERT.

Ha pedig nem teszi, orokre rajta marad hogy hazug ragalmazasokon es
nyilvanos becsuletserteseken kapta'k (mindkettot rabizonyitva!) - de
meg annyi becsulet sem volt benne, hogy nyilvanvalo vetsegeit elismerje.
+ - Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tran (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 (Kalifa !) wrote:

>In article >, 
 says...
>>
>>
>>
>>On 30 Dec 1995, Cory wrote:
>>
>>> : I think that was very nice of you to inform Andrea Cocito of
 th
>>e "Language of Love" I'm going to print that for myself.  You never know when
 yo
>>u might need it. Thanks, Jennifer Ferris Blacksburg VA
>>
>>" I love you" : kocham cie (Polish)
>>" I love you" : seni seviyorum <Turkish)
>>" I love you" : Ich liebe dich (German}
>>" I love you" : Je t'aime (Francias)
>>" I love you" : Ti amo (Italiano)
>>" I love you" : I love you (English :>

>" I love you" : Je neus zit scheef (Nederlands)
ah ah ah 

Ik houd van je Kalifa


peace








>kalifa
+ - Re: Bela Kun. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On 4 Jan 1996, Alexander N. Bossy wrote:

> But, given that Romania's population is twice Hungary's I don't think that
> there is much question who would win such a war. 
> Alexander

Right on ! A good example would be the Iran/Irak war, where the population
balance was even more marked. In our case mr. Funar & WC Tudor would be
perfect as ayatollas, driving the poorly armed & poorly trained Romanian
youths with their rabid nationalist rhetoric.
Not unlike WW I, where Romania declared war on the Austo-Hungarian empire,
and got our butt kicked back all the way to 'Fundul Moldovei'. Back then
we had poor government and Hohenosen arrogance. Nowadays we stil have poor 
government and party bosses possesed of no less than royal arrogance.
A perfect formula for disaster !

m. cristian
+ - Internet cenzura (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Jo a kerdes, lehet-e cenzurazni az Internetet.
Es ha igen, miert nem.

A tegnapi "Nemzet" mindket kerdest taglalja, igy Szucs
Andris otletes "hypertext-vitastilusaban" utalnek ra:

http://www.siliconvalley.com/nemzet/960103.html

(Akinek nincs "web-access"-e: a Nemzet kozolte a "168 ora"
c. hetilap ket szamabol azokat az "Internet-cenzurazasi"
terveket, melyet mar egy ideje rebesgetni hallottam. Dornbach
Alajos tervezi az otthoni Internet-cenzurat, "altalanos"
szabalyokkal. Ugyanakkor a Nemzet kozol a New York Times-bol,
ahol egy computer scientist kifejti, milyen egyszeru modszerekkel
lehet Internet-cenzorokat frusztralni. Hozzateszi: "nevetseges,
amikor politikusok olyasvalamit akarnak kontrollalni, melyrol
nem tudjak hogy mukodik". Jo moka lesz, tennem hozza, ennel meg
Aczel is okosabb volt!)

Egyebkent roppant durva, kisiskolas sarokbaallitasi modszerekkel
lehet vagdalkozni az Interneten egy cenzura iranyaba, ld. pl.
a HIX-nevu kadarista "haztaji-internet" ujsutetu "tiltasait":

http://www.siliconvalley.com/nemzet/951222.html

(A HIX Szucs Andris harmadszori "Szatmari-bekuldeset" is ki-
cenzurazta, majd tehetetlensegeben megmergedve mondvacsinalt
uruggyel "general tiltast" deklaralt. Azt el lehet erni, hogy egy
listan pl. Szatmari tabu maradjon, de ki fog ohajtani ovodaban
nyilt vitat folytatni, amikor pl. itt van az amerikai "free press"
listaja, a "soc.culture.magyar"?)
+ - Re: Cenzura az Interneten - Kerdes (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Compu$erve is not the Internet. Not by a long shot, as a matter of fact.

--
 Zoli , keeper of <http://hix.mit.edu/hungarian-faq/>;
 <'finger '> 
 NOTE: spamsters and bulk emailers see 'X-Policy*:' in the 
header for the charges to be imposed for net abuse!

On 4 Jan 1996, Mike Hammer wrote:

 > In >  (Peter Szaszvari)
 > writes: 
 > 
 > >Hogy a fenebe lehetne az Internetet cenzurazni?
 > >
 > >Valaszaikat, barmilyen reszletesek is, izgatottan varom, SzP.
 > >--------------------------------------
 > >Peter Szaszvari
 > >http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm
 > >--------------------------------------
 > >
 > 
 > Peter,
 > 
 > Have you heard about Compuserve in Germany? That seems to be the way it
 > could be done...Though, I don't think it'll stick very long.
 > Personally, I think it will remain free in the long run. It's just
 > undergoing some growing pains.
 > 
 > Chairman Mao
 > 
 >
+ - Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tran (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Tue, 2 Jan 1996, Som wrote:

> 
> 
> On 30 Dec 1995, Cory wrote:
> 
> > : I think that was very nice of you to inform Andrea Cocito of
 the "Language of Love" I'm going to print that for myself.  You never know whe
n you might need it. Thanks, Jennifer Ferris Blacksburg VA
> 
> " I love you" : kocham cie (Polish)
> " I love you" : seni seviyorum <Turkish)
> " I love you" : Ich liebe dich (German}
> " I love you" : Je t'aime (Francias)
> " I love you" : Ti amo (Italiano)
> " I love you" : I love you (English :)
> " I love you" : Wo Ai Ni (Chinese)
> " I love you" : Saya cinta pada mu (Malay)
+ - Is that highway paved with gold? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>NEW HIGHWAY OPENED IN HUNGARY. Prime Minister Gyula Horn on 4 January
>opened Hungary's first toll highway, which links the Western town of
>Gyor with Hegyeshalom on the Austrian border, Hungarian media reported.
>The travel time between Budapest and Vienna has effectively been cut by
>20 minutes. Austrian Chancellor Franz Vranitzky and Slovak Transport
>Minister Alexander Rezes attended the opening ceremony. The 43-kilometer
>highway reportedly cost 37 billion forints ($264 million) to complete
>and is the most expensive in Europe to use, with passenger cars paying
>900 forints ($6-7) for a one-way fare. -- Zsofia Szilagyi

This comes out about 25 cents per mile!  Are they out of their mind, or
this is their secret plan to pay off Hungary's foreign debt?  For I am
pretty sure only a part of the collected toll fees go to pay the
investors of that short highway.  Come to think of it, this is a cleaver
way to raise money by the government; most people hit with it are
foreigners, and the Hungarian motorists' anger can be diverted to
the private franchisee of the project.  Look out for more toll roads to
come. 

Joe
+ - Re: Bela Kun. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hermes  > wrote:
>
>Right on ! A good example would be the Iran/Irak war, where the population
>balance was even more marked. In our case mr. Funar & WC Tudor would be
>perfect as ayatollas, driving the poorly armed & poorly trained Romanian
>youths with their rabid nationalist rhetoric.

If that recent heroic attack by Romanian villagers on NATO troops is any
indication, there might not even be need for too much rhetorics from
those two guys.

>Not unlike WW I, where Romania declared war on the Austo-Hungarian empire,
>and got our butt kicked back all the way to 'Fundul Moldovei'. Back then
>we had poor government and Hohenosen arrogance. Nowadays we stil have poor 
>government and party bosses possesed of no less than royal arrogance.
>A perfect formula for disaster !

Don't worry; your neighbors are in no better shape, either.

Joe
+ - Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tran (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>" I love you" : Ana Ouhibboek (arabic)
+ - Re: Lehet-e cenzurazni az Internetet? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Bocsanat ez mas, de nem tudom megallni...

 wrote:

>Eszembe jut errol par vicc. "Lehet-e Svajcban kommunizmus?"
>(Igen! De minek?)

Ebben az a vicc, hogy nem vicc. Halkan merem csak mondani, de
tobbunknek az a velemenye, hogy nemcsak lehet de majdnem kesz is.
Persze nem arra gondolok, hogy valami allat deklaralja, hogy
kommunizmus van es utana a hulyekkel szovetkezve rettegesben es
nyomorban tartja az orszagot, hanem a teljesen naiv eredeti elvekre.

Ezer peldat tudnek mondani, de mint kulfoldi nem politizalhatok, es
tartom is magam ehhez. A valodi mkommunizmus egyetlen fontos feltetele
a gazdagsag, gondolkodjunk el ezen!





--------------------------------------
Peter Szaszvari
http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm
--------------------------------------
+ - Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tran (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Som > wrote:



>On 30 Dec 1995, Cory wrote:

>> : I think that was very nice of you to inform Andrea Cocito of 
the "Language of Love" I'm going to print that for myself.  You never know when
 you might need it. Thanks, Jennifer Ferris Blacksburg VA

>" I love you" : kocham cie (Polish)
>" I love you" : seni seviyorum <Turkish)
>" I love you" : Ich liebe dich (German}
>" I love you" : Je t'aime (Francias)
>" I love you" : Ti amo (Italiano)
>" I love you" : I love you (English :)

Me likem yufella tumas (Bislama)
+ - Lehet-e cenzurazni az Internetet? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Eszembe jut errol par vicc. "Lehet-e Svajcban kommunizmus?"
(Igen! De minek?)
"Lehet-e lyukat loni a Dunaba?"
(Persze hogy lehet! De minek? Rogton korulfolyja!)
"Lehet-e megakadalyozni tomegtunteteseket?"
(Megall a jardan egy ember oktober 23-an. Nekimegy a vaskalapos
rendor: 'Ne csoportosuljon'!)

Compu$erve-ben, vagy privat newsgroupokban, vagy akarmilyen korul-
bastyazott "subset"-ben persze hogy lehet valamilyen szimpla
"mechanikus" szurot alkalmazni. Ez technikailag pofonegyszeru.
Kb. ugyanilyen konnyu azonban a "szurot" valamilyen ugyes technikai
otlettel megkerulni.

A politikus kirohogteti magat, hogy mennyire nem ert a technikahoz.
A computer scientist pedig lejaratja magat, hogy elegans automatikus
szuroje, azon tul hogy nem szu"r, csak az informacioaramlas egy
adott agat dugitja el, (de attol halozat a halozat, hogy epp ilyen
eltomeszelesek ne karositsak a halozat mukodeset), raadasul jogilag
es etikailag nevetsegesen amator. Es persze nyilvanvalo onbiraskodas;
melyenk jogalapja nulla. Ugyanolyan, mint totalitarius apparatcsikok
vaskalapos mesterkedesei; "ne csoportosuljon!"

Egy-egy diktatorikus orszagot (ujra) el lehet persze szigetelni.
Mondjuk Kinat, vagy Magyarorszagot. Kulonosen ha a technika fejletlen.
Pl.ahol igen keves, vasmarokkal kezbentartott "gateway" mukodik, es
ahol lehet pl. olyan gumitorvenyeket hozni, hogy mondjuk "ottol tiz
evi bortonbuntetesre itelheto, aki rautalo magatartast tanusit, hogy
az Internet technikai adottsagaival vissza szandekozik elni". Ilyen
korulmenyek kozott azonban szo sincs jogallamrol, hiszen a "birok"
onkenyetol fugg kit itelnek el kit nem, s a cenzura nem jogon, hanem
puszta megfelemlitesen alapul.

Minden orszagnak megvan azonban a joga hogy bemutassa a vilagnak,
mennyire ostoba a gondolat- illetve technika-rendorsege.
+ - Re: Bela Kun. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Alexander N. Bossy > wrote:
> 
>While it is true that Karolyi diarmed the Hungarian soldiers partly to show
>his pacific intent, it is also very definitely true that he also feared
>their revolutionary elements.  (He did have the examples of Vienna and
>Berlin, after all.) 

I don't know what to make out of that statement.  If he feared them, why
did he hand 'em the government then?  Karolyi was a left-leaning guy in
any case, and though he considered himself an intellectual, he turned
out to be very stupid.

>Exactly who do you think is suggesting that Romania should invade Hungary? 
>But, given that Romania's population is twice Hungary's I don't think that
>there is much question who would win such a war. 

I only mentioned it, because I read these veiled threats from Romanians
here umpteen times already, while I don't recall any such things from
Hungarians.  If it wasn't threat, then it was pranoid allusions to
possible Hungarian attacks.  As to your 2nd sentence above, I mentioned
it myself several times how ridiculous I found the Romanian fears from
Hungary in view of the disparity between the two countries.

Finally, we can agree on something.

Joe
+ - Re: Bela Kun (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Alexander N. Bossy > wrote:
> 
>Austria-Hungary was one of the Great Powers.  Other Great Powers (France,
>Britian, America) forced her to relinguish those of her provinces where the
>majority wished independence.  Great Britain was a Great Power.  Other
>Great Powers (France, and to a lesser extent, Spain) forced her to
>relinguish those of her provinces where the majority wished independence. 
>The analogy is much more relevant than you wish to admit. 

Not really.  Which great power was forced to relinquish her provinces in
1920?  For France, it took upto the 60s to relinquish Algeria, for
instance.  In 1920, only the losers lost territory (Germany and
Hungary).  Of course, the big colonial powers eventually lost their
colonies not because other powers forced them, but the colonial subjects
themselves through protracted wars of liberation or passive resistance.
This was hardly the case in the 1918-1920 "losses".
> 
>Not at all.  Hungary signed an Armistice based on the Fourteen points. 
>Point number ten initially promissed "the peoples of Austria-Hungary...the
>freest opportunity for autonomous development."  But, by the time of the
>Hungarian surrender, it had been modified to provide for complete
>independence in lieu of autonomy.  Hungary knew that her surrender meant
>that she would lose those of her provinces where a majority of the
>population was not Magyar; Transylvania was clearly one of those provinces
>that she would lose. 

I don't think the Hungarian government at the time of surrender knew
that it would lose all of Transylvania, Partium and Banat.  But I would
defer the details of this again to Eva Balogh, who most likely can cite
the facts about it in her sleep.

The only additional comment I have about your constant stressing of
Romanian majority in Transylvania is that in 1920 there were plenty of
Hungarian majority areas included in the chunk that was given to
Romania.  And I don't mean the remote Szekely/Secui areas, but those
that were right outside of the new border.  So if really the majority
was the only criterion, the borders could have been drawn differently
than they were.

Joe
+ - Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tran (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

please take these asinine requests for translations of the newsgroups.
+ - Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tran (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Polish:            kocham cie
Turkish:           seni seviyorum
German :           Ich liebe dich
Francias:          Je t'aime
Italiano :         Ti amo
Siamese :          Chan rak ter
Sverige :          Jag älskar dig
Espanyol  :        Te amo.
Malay:             Aku cinta pada mu
Indonesian:        Aku sayang pada mu
Mandarin:          Wo Ai Ni
Tamil:             Gud Gu
Tagalog:           Mahal Kita
Ilocano:           Ai Ayating Kita
Singaporean:       Who the hell are you ?
+ - Rosy Barsony (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I would be interested in any sources of information about films 
in which Hunarian actress Rosy Barsony appeared. Her films were 
made mostly by UFA in the 30s.  I would love to be able to get 
hold of any of her films on video and also of magazines or 
posters relating to Rosy Barsony. Any information (in German, 
Hungarian or English) would be more than welcome. Thank you.

-- 
Ferenc
+ - Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tran (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Maan Magnavox Hamze wrote:

> Som > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >On 30 Dec 1995, Cory wrote:
> 
> >> : I think that was very nice of you to inform Andrea Cocito o
f the "Language of Love" I'm going to print that for myself.  You never know wh
en you might need it. Thanks, Jennifer Ferris Blacksburg VA
> 
> >" I love you" : kocham cie (Polish)
> >" I love you" : seni seviyorum <Turkish)
> >" I love you" : Ich liebe dich (German}
> >" I love you" : Je t'aime (Francias)
> >" I love you" : Ti amo (Italiano)
> >" I love you" : I love you (English :)
> 
> In Arabic:
> "I love you" :  'd-daish 7seebak bil-bank
> 
> M
> "Smart.  Very Smart."
> 
> 
>I love you: Te amo (Spanish)
 I love you: Lub lu ti bia (Russian)
 I love you: Serou mem kez (Armenian)
 I love you: Sagapo (Greek) 
 I love you: Ana bahebik (To a female) Ana bahebak (To a male)
+ - Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help tra (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

One Minor Correction,

Hindi translation need to be corrected at both the places.

: Hindi        Mae tumko peyar kia
: Indian       Nenu Ninnu Premisthunnanu  (Telugu)
:              My Tumse Pyaar Kartha Hun  (Hindi)

The Correct is 

Hindi          Mae Tumse Pyaar Kartha Hun

An Addition


Marathi        Maze Tuzyavar Prem Ahe  (Marathi)

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+ - Borneo (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Borneo es Celebesz magyar volt,es magyar lesz!
+ - Szellemi salakozon! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Honfitarsaim!


Mai targyunk a 896 evi arpadi bejovetel.Hadd kerdezzuk meg:ki mereszeli ezt
honfoglalasnak nevezni?Ki mereszeli azt allitani,hogy a magyarok 896-ban
fegyveres teruletfoglalast hajtottak vegre,s eroszakkal ragadtak hatalmukba 
az orszagot?Tisztelettel kerdezzuk:kicsoda mereszeli ezt tenni?
A valasz adott:mindenki,mindenki,joszerint az egesz magyarsag.
Folytatjuk:
             Szkita-magyarok,tartsatok ki!
+ - Re: "I love you" in many languages (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article <ludens soc.culture.magyar:12452>,  writes:
> Subject: Re: "I love you" in many languages Re: Please help translation (3
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> From: Dionisio Rodriguez >
> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 1996 05:06:15 +0800
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> Robert Chobot wrote:
>> 
>> In article >, 
>  says...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On 30 Dec 1995, Cory wrote:
>> >
>> >> : I think that was very nice of you to inform Andrea Cocito 
of the "Language of Love" I'm going to print that for myself.  
> You never know w
>> >
>> >" I love you" : kocham cie (Polish)
>> >" I love you" : seni seviyorum <Turkish)
>> >" I love you" : Ich liebe dich (German}
>> >" I love you" : Je t'aime (Francias)
>> >" I love you" : Ti amo (Italiano)
>> >" I love you" : I love you (English :)
>> >
>>  " I love you" : Pom rak kun (Thai)
>>       //         Jag älskar dig (Swedish)
>> --
>> Wladyslaw Robert Chobot & Charuwan Narongin
>> 
>> Sweden          //////////
> "I love you"  : Te amo. (Espańol)
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> Dionisio Rodriguez
> 
> http://www.deltanet.com/users/drx/
Hungary: I love you:  Bofogj ram Oreg
Greece:  I love you:  Bassi Gep
Estonia: I love you:  Szar van a szamban

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