Reminder everyone in the NY/NJ/CT area:

Ambassador Istvan Nathon's lecture - the first in a series
entitled HUNGARY 2000 - rescheduled from February, will be held
this Saturday, March 11 at 5 PM.  The lecture is in English.

213 East 82nd Street
(between 2nd and 3rd Aves)
New York, N.Y.  10028
212 249 9360

Hope to see all of you there :-)))

Charlie Vamossy

Kopatsy:

        Kopatsy has been a loud advocate of the forgiving of Hungarian debts
for years. I don't know much about economics but from the Hungarian press it
appeared to me that he represents an extreme among economists and even some
conservative-minded economists don't agree with his views. Personally I think
that freeing Hungary from the debt burden would be an immense help for the
country but I'm afraid it is little more than wishful thinking. The creditors
of Hungary, as far as I know, are primarily private banks who are not noted
for their kind-heartedness, not to mention the internal and international
government bonds which were issued to finance the budget deficit and were
mostly bought by individuals who just cannot afford "forgiving" their money.

        Hungarian political jokes; here are a few from last year as a start:

        Why did Gyula Horn suffer a car accident?
        Because he was trying to steer to far towards left...

        Why didn't he die in the accident?
        He was protected by his "pufajka". (if you don't know the word,
longish historical explanation is needed)

        What was the big mistake of the Hungarian electorate?
        That they confused Cape Horn with the Cape of Good Hope.


                Bye,
                        Charlie

One quick comment on the question Joe Pannon asks regarding the Horn govern-
ment and the Basic Treaties:

Just this week, I think, I saw a passing reference in the Czech press that
once more bilateral talks between the Slovaks and the Hungarians on the
treaty had ended without any progress, and that each side blamed the other:

Has something happened that I missed suggesting that Horn is moving forward
faster than this report would suggest?

Sincerely,

Hugh Agnew

I am working on a paper for an East European Studies course at East Carolina
University, North Carolina, USA. I am particularly focusing on the effects
privatization has had on the current Hungarian economy. I have a good deal
of data up to the middle of 1994 but need more current data.

I am looking for current sources for information such as latest GDP, per capita
income, unemployment figures etc.  I am interested in internet accessible
sources primarily but other sources would also be helpful.

Thank you in advance...
                                  Aubrey Jones  {  }

I've been following this list for about 1 1/2 months and have enjoyed the
discussions a great deal.

Hello,

I'm interested in buss-companies that have lines from Holland to Budapest.
I'm interested in the prices (in forints and/or guilders) and their
adresses.
If you have more information for me: Please let me know.

Thanks,
        Vincent.

Hugh Agnew writes:
> The Budapest Sun (english-language weekly) had the temerity to
> publish a list of Hungary's best wines.  Maybe this will put a
> different taste in the mouths of our readers?  (Or at least make
> them thirsty...)  The list is in rank order.

First of all how can anyone call anything about good wines "frivolous"?
Secondly thanks a lot, I am heading that way on a business trip and will
take the list along and report back. I plan to be there only for a few
days so 1 or 2 may not be reported on.:-)

Regards,Jeliko.

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By      : TISZA Ensemble - Traditional Hungarian Music and Dance

Place   : Starting Point Dance Studio . From I495 take Route 1 South
          toward College Park . After passing the UM complex , make a left
          onto Calvert Rd. The studio is in the first building on your right,
          behind Clean and Lean Laudromat/Fitness Center

Time    : 7:30pm until 10:30pm

Date    : Saturday, March 11th

Adm     : $4 ($3 for Tisza members)

 Tanchaz starts promptly at 7:30 with 15 minutes of instruction in basic
 elements of Hungarian dancing, followed by 45 minutes of instruction in a
 traditional Hungarian or Transylvanian dance.  Dancing to live and
 recorded music ends the evening.  The basic steps of many of the dances
 will be demonstrated in a special teaching circle while each dance is
 going on.

 You may bring food or drink .  Please bring footwear
 that will not damage the dance floor.

 Next Tanchaz date is April 8th, 1995 (2nd Saturday of the month).

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Kedves Magyar Testverunk!

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1995. ma'rcius 15-e'n de'li 12 ora'ra a Kossuth Ha'zba,
a Kossuth dombormu" koszoru'za'si u~nnepse'ge're,
amelyet egy ro~vid fogada's ko~vet .

R.S.V.P. (202)-328-2630

Kossuth Haz
2001 Massachusetts Ave., N.W.
Washington, DC 20036-1011


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email : 

I am a law student at the Univ of California at Berkeley. I read in the
local newspaper yesterday that the Hungarian Supreme Court had
decided this week that the legislature must permit common-law (as
opposed to civil law) same-sex marriages. I would be extremely
grateful if someone could either send me a copy of this decision
(in Hungarian would be fine, since I can find a translator, or if possible
in English) or could they direct me to a place where I can find this
decision myself? I am in a class doing research related to this
topic and am very anxious to read this decision and understand its
legal bases. Thank you very much.
Please reply to my e-mail:

I do not feel that the cause of the US action in Yalta was the domination of
Western Europe. But I do believe in the selfishness of every state, including
hungary, and as such, countries try to use the political situation to their
advantage. As such, the conclusions of the writer (Kopa'tsy) are correct.

i.e.  If debts would be forgiven, it would allow for the central european state
s
a more independent policy.
   Without the lightening of burden, the will be under the will of the west.

Sandor

There are others on this list who will undoubtedly have more, and more
interesting, suggestions, but as a non-Magyar I found the city of Eger
to be particularly worthwhile (and not far from Budapest--at least by
American standards).  The ruins of the castle where just a handful of
Hungarian men and women (2000?) held off a Turkish invasion (100000?--my
memory for numbers is not great, but I know the ratio of Turks to
Hungarians was quite high) were inspiring to see.  Plus, the city itself
has many of the same attractions (cathedrals, monuments, etc.) that you
find elsewhere in Hungary.  Oh...the minuet in town is supposed to be
the largest in that part of Europe.  Not to mention the availability of
the excellent Bikaver Egri.  So . . . there's my recommendation.
Tim
P.S.  Do any readers of this list know of any e-mail contacts in Ozd?

 wrote:

: ...I think that freeing Hungary from the debt burden would be
: an immense help for the country but I'm afraid it is little more than
: wishful thinking. The creditors of Hungary, AFAIK, are
: primarily private banks who are not noted for their kind-heartedness,
: not to mention the internal and international government bonds which
: were issued to finance the budget deficit and were mostly bought by
: individuals...

This wouldn't be an insurmountable barrier to rescheduling/forgiveness,
but no institution or government is going to take step one until the
government gets a handle on social spending, IMHO.

--Greg

Thanks to Csaba Zoltani for making available part of an article on the
Hungarian military from Jane's Military Intelligence Review. I have a
question concerning the Hungarian military. I read in Mozaik yesterday the
following:

>Prime Minister Horn Visits Defence Ministry
>
>
>        Budapest, March 1 (MTI) - Prime Minister Gyula Horn disagrees with
>Western views that the new way of thinking in the Hungarian armed forces is
>not
>sufficiently in evidence


>From this I gather that there was some criticim of Hungary's military and its
commitment to the necessary reorganization before Hungary can join NATO. Does
anyone know anything about this?

Eva Balogh

Hello!

My friend askd,  to put on his letter.
                                                udv: parker
So, here is the letter:

Hi! (or Hello!) (perhabs Good afternoon, Sir!)

We are hungarian students from Szeged ( this is a city of
south-hungary ).
Sorry about our bad english and good disturbing you
but:
        - Here is a very humorous student competition,
          and we need some help from YOU, and from your
          friends.
        - There's a task for our group:
          we have to collect as many bills as we can.
          But the bills have to be special pub-bills.
          Why special? Has to be on it four thing:

          1. One mug of beer
          2. about half a deciliter hard-drink (strong in
             alcohol like vodka, schnaps, rum, whiskey etc..)

          3. the stamp of the pub
          4. the sign of the waiter, or chief.

If you don't hate the drink, and you are a cool boyorgirl,
please send some bill for me until 1995.03.20 and tell this
your friends too..

   Name:                 Leander (Laszlo Karman)
   Adress:               Gaspar Zoltan u. 5/A II.em 4.
                         Szeged 6723
                         HUNGARY

PS: if you want to use INTERNET, you can send a UUENCODE-
coded Photo-copy of the bill to this e-mail adress:

                 

Thank you!