I am American and am 50% hungarian. Does anybody know how I can trace my 
heritage from Hungary? All I know is what my relatives names were that came 
to this country and that is it.  If anybody can help with this drop me a 
clue!

Thanks.

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What this has to do with any soc. culture ? It is a blatant and and poor approa
ch to peddling 
something.

Kedves Gábor                                                             
           Okay, I admit that Hungarians are part Mongolian (- according 
to a biology teacher at my school who is Magyar he says that his daughter 
does have a slight trace of the Mongolian eye-fold ("slit-eye")) since a 
good friend of mine does have the prominent cheekbones, small eyes and 
round head not uncommon among my race and my ancestor's geographic 
neighbours. (But other than that she had blond hair, blue eyes and 
light skin - not Mongoloid traits!!!) However it must be pointed out that 
while there is no shame in a Magyar-Mongol relationship (hell I belong to 
that Mongol race) it is not as common as the Caucasoid-Scythian-Turanian 
element (which has only very trace amounts of Mongol blood/genes/ 
whatever) Sorry about that...                                            
    Üdv.                                                                 
    Peter D. Chong

In article > Andreas Prilop,
 writes:
>You can read Hungarian newsgroups with YA-NewsWatcher 2.2.0.
>Thanks to Brian Clark and John Norstad for this outstanding newsreader!


Nuntius is way better. However, if you want to deal with large
binaries (downloads, uploads) the YANW is better for that pur-
pose. As a matter of fact I have both apps.

Tamas

In article >,  says...
>

>I was thinking that this notion may have originated with the notion that the
>*gypsies* originated in Egypt - hence the name *gypsy* of course - and that
>some people had confused *gypsies* with *Hungarians*. Any possibility that
>this could be the case?
>
>Yours,
>
>Johanne
>
>Johanne L. Tournier
>e-mail - 
>Johanne L. Tournier
>e-mail - 
>
Johanne,

The above is probably the best explanation and you have
guessed it very intelligently indeed (this is the sort of
thing we call an "educated guess" in English . . . :-)
Even if there is truth to the fact of Turks have taken
Hungarian slaves to that neck of the woods, that would
hardly explain how the entire Hungarian nation might have
originated in Egypt. The "gypsies" are indeed so-called
because people thought they came from Egypt rather than
India, and some people to this day confuse Hungarians
and gypsies . . . 

Sincerely,
Steven C. Scheer

In article >,
Katalin Kovacs  > wrote:
>  Maybe Maria or our poet friend have an answer to that....

You're overestimating their intelligence. The Tonalamatl has the answer. ;-)

Subject: Tonalamatl/Wed. Aug 7, 1996
    Today is the 220th day of 1996 with 146 remaining.
    The moon is a waning crescent, moving towards its new phase. (24)
    The morning stars are Venus, Mars, Saturn.
    The evening stars are Mercury, Jupiter.
    Those born on this date are under the sign of Leo.

Maya Long Count: 12. 19. 3. 7. 0.  4-Ahau  3 Yaxkin
Mexica: MACTLACTLI-Tecpatl. NAHUI-Xochitl Panquetzaliztli OME
Otomi: RETA-Aneyaxi. GOOHO-Andoeni. Anthaxme YOHO
Purepecha: TEMBEN-Tzhinapu. TAMU-Tsitsiki. Pancanscuaro TZIMAN
Zapotec Yza: 7-Pija. Chij: 4-Lao. Cocijo: 1-Loo. Cocij: 1-Xoo.
    Miercoles 7 de Agosto de 1996
Today is the Saint's Day for Donato, Cayetano, Alberto Carmelita

1270 Years Ago, in 726:
    [Day 2-Coatl Year 1-Tochtli] A solar eclipse signals the end of the
    4th sun period. The ceremony of New Fire is celebrated in the
    astronomical center of Xochicalco.

475 Years Ago, in 1521:
    [Day 8-Quiahuitl Year 3-Calli] Hernan Cortes and his troops initiate the
    final assault to Tenochtitlan.

"But into this reverie came Mexico, that reproachful canker, its renewed
 presence intimating that history was not progress at all but a cycle."
 -- David Rieff, _Los Angeles: Capital of the Third World_

Gabor
aka. Lord of the Mayas at Yaxchilan

In article >,  says...
>
>kendra wrote:
>> 
>> By ordering a FREE tape?
>> 
>> You will be AMAZED by how much you'll learn about
>> feeling energetic and living healthy.
>> 
>> Order now
>> (800) 815-3426
>
>
>What this has to do with any soc. culture ? It is a blatant and and poor 
approach to peddling 
>something.

Probably the bloody Dianetics crowd looking for suckers whose brains they can 
mess with.
NSM

In article > Peter k Chong,
 writes:
> The Magyars are Asiatic/Mesopotamian Yes! 

I've read a book from Béla Hamvas in which he state without
further elaboration on it, that Hungarians like all the other
asian ex-steppe dwellers *culturally* Chinese fragment-cul-
tures. It make sense for me. Last month i saw an exibition
called Old China and there were some astonishing pieces of
7000 years old. All the Mesopotamian & Sumerian things are
younger, afterthoughts, copies and slight modifications of
the older stuff. 

The Chinese relation is stronlgy supported by the fact that
all the steppian cultures lived in the near neighbourhood of
China (sometimes they even conquered China). The Chinese
old historians extensively wrote about them. I could write:
exclusively because the Chinese were a quite closed bunch
of nations and they did not care of the world but the close
neighbourhood that could cause them trouble.

Some of the earliest large steppian migration started from
part of Asia which is north to China.

Hungarians as steppian nations formed somewere behind
the Ural mountains. The difference between Hungarian and
forexample Finnish quite large to assume that the forma-
tion has taken place so long ago when the Sumerian-Meso-
potamian culture could not kick in not just because of the
geographical circumstances (distance :-)  but the time gap
as well.

The szekely runa-writings were also mentioned in an earlier
thread. I've read a study which stated that all the Turk runas
eventualy originates from the Chinese writing.

The genetic origin is different story, i am comfortable with
the idea of Turk origin. Taking everything into account we¨
can write:

Hungariannes  = chinese culture + turkish gewnetics + finno-
ugric language.    ;-) ;-)

It's quite a strange mixture, isn't it ?

Tamás

Stefan.Beliczey > wrote:
>is there anyone who could tell me how many gold/silver/bronze medals have been
 
>won by members of the Hungarian team at the Olympic Games in Barcelona ?

Sure. 11 golds, 12 silvers, 7 bronzes.  30 medals in all.

Joe Pannon

In article >,
Steven C. Scheer > wrote:
>In article >,  says...
>>
>
>>I was thinking that this notion may have originated with the notion that the
>>*gypsies* originated in Egypt - hence the name *gypsy* of course - and that
>>some people had confused *gypsies* with *Hungarians*. Any possibility that
>>this could be the case?
>>Yours,
>>Johanne L. Tournier
>
>The above is probably the best explanation and you have
>guessed it very intelligently indeed (this is the sort of
>thing we call an "educated guess" in English . . . :-)
>Even if there is truth to the fact of Turks have taken
>Hungarian slaves to that neck of the woods, that would
>hardly explain how the entire Hungarian nation might have
>originated in Egypt. The "gypsies" are indeed so-called
>because people thought they came from Egypt rather than
>India, and some people to this day confuse Hungarians
>and gypsies . . .
>
>Sincerely,
>Steven C. Scheer
>

The source of this confusion might be that Hungarian 'folk' music is quite 
frequently played by 'ciganyzenekar' (gypsy-band) all over the World, and even 
the Hungarian name is 'ciganyzene' (gypsy-music).

The other confusion is that because of the similar warfare the Magyars were 
confused to the Huns, that's where the words Hungarian, Hongroise, Ungarische, 
etc. comes from.
GK

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