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+ - ecotech kozlemenye (tovabbitott anyag) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Kedves Kornyeszek !
 
Itt tovabbitom az Echotech lista kozlemenyet.
 
LBT
 
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Date:         Sun, 12 May 1996 08:46:55 +0900
Reply-To: "Jacky E.L.Foo, UNU/IAS" >
Sender: "Announcements from Ecotechnology Network (ECOTEC)"
              >
Organization: The United Nations University
Subject:      Update on ECOTEC Activities
Comments: cc: 
To: Multiple recipients of list ET-ANN >
 
Update on Electronic Activities of the Ecotechnology Network
 
 
(1) March-May 1996
Electronic Forum on Industrial Organic Carbon Sinks
Organized in cooperation with the Biofocus Foundation and the
                  United Nations University
Listname: ET-W1
 
(2) May-June 1996
1st Electronic Conference on Zero Emissions by Beer Breweries
Organized in cooperation with the United Nations University
Listname: ET-ODEN
 
(3) May 1996
2nd World Congress on Zero Emissions (29-31 May)
Organized in cooperation with the United Nations University
Listname: ET-TOR
 
(4) May 1996
Electronic Seminar on "A MODEL FOR FUTURE MICROBIAL PROCESS
         SYSTEMS AS A CLEAN ENVIRONMENTAL TECHNOLOGY FOR
         SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT"
Presented by:  Horst W.Doelle*, E.J.Olguin and M.B.Doelle,
         MIRCEN-Brisbane and Pacific Regional Network
Organized in cooperation with UNESCO Microbial Resources Center,
         Stockholm.
Listname: ET-VENUS
 
(5) Sept-Oct 1996
Electronic Extension of the International Conference on Ecological
Engineering (the on-site Conf will be in Beijing, 7-11 Oct)
Organized in cooperation with the Chinese Academy of Sciences
                 and the International Ecological Engineering Society.
Listname: ET-ATLAS
 
 
**acknowledgement**
LISTSERV facilities have been provided by
the Royal Engineering College, Stockholm
 
 
How to get information on the above activities:
+ - meadows-rovat (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

(mivel kozeledik a valasztasi kampany, Donella rovata is egyre szorosabban
kapcsolodik az amerikai politikahoz.  ha ugy gondoljatok (azok, akik
egyebkent
erosen partoltatok a Meadows-rovatot), hogy ez nem relavans a Kornyeszben,
akkor szoljatok, es ezeket a szamokat kihagyjuk.

diana)

THE REPUBLICAN RIDER AND THE MT. GRAHAM SQUIRREL

Mount Graham soars ten thousand feet out of the Arizona desert.  As it rises
its slopes get cooler and moister, until on its peak a forest grows.
Biologists call that forest a "sky island," a 615-acre scrap of never-logged
Engelmann spruce and Douglas fir.  Below it are transition zones of heavily
cut
forest interrupted by roads, vacation homes, and firebreaks, descending down
to desert.  The creatures that live on top of Mt. Graham are as stuck there
as if
they lived on a real island.

Those creatures include at least 18 species found nowhere else, one of which
is the Mt. Graham red squirrel.  There are somewhere between 150 and 300
squirrels left.  The U.S. Forest Service (which manages Mt. Graham for us
tax-
payers) says there's a 30-70 percent probability that it will be extinct 
within 30 years.

Nevertheless, thanks to the wonders of Washington politics, still more
development is about to shrink the Mt. Graham sky island.  Of the dozens of
anti-environmental riders congressional Republicans tried to attach to the
1996
budget, just one survived to be signed into law by President Clinton.  It
waives the Endangered Species Act so the University of Arizona can build a
telescope on top of Mt. Graham.
This is a rerun of an old and bitter story that pits the university's
astronomers against its biologists and the Apache Indians against the
Vatican.
To the Apaches Mt. Graham is a sacred site.  The Vatican recently built an
observatory there in order to contact aliens and convert them.  (That is not
a
joke.)  The Holy See joined an astronomical consortium that originally
planned
18 Mt. Graham observatories, two of which have been built -- one for the
Vatican and one for Germany's Max Planck Institute -- thanks to another
waiver
of the Endangered Species Act, signed without fuss by George Bush in 1988.

This year Bill Clinton fought against a host of Republican riders -- to log
the
Tongass National Forest in Alaska, to remove EPA authority over wetlands, to
unprotect the Mojave Desert.  The bargaining was tough and dirty.  We
taxpayers
ended up paying $110 million in Alaskan development grants just so we could
enforce national environmental laws in the Tongass.

Bill Clinton vetoed and bribed his way around all the riders but Mt. Graham.
Why?  Is the Arizona delegation so tough?  Can telescopes be built on no
other
mountain?  What goes on in those rooms in Washington where the Endangered
Species Act is pitted against the national budget?  I've been calling around
all week trying to find out.

In Arizona, three theories are floating around: the Pastor, the Panetta, and
the Clinton.
Ed Pastor, the only Arizona Democrat in Congress is usually an environmental
good guy.  But he is Hispanic, Catholic, and a supporter of the telescope.
Maybe he leaned hard on the White House.  "Just a continuation of the
Conquest," sniff the Apaches.

The Panetta theory assumes that White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta did
some kind of Machiavellian deal with an eye on the coming election.  Throw
this
one to the Republicans; Clinton doesn't have much chance of taking Arizona
anyway.

The Clinton theory assumes that the president is neutral about the
environment,
unconscious of Native Americans and easily excited about international
cooperation and big science.  Though Republicans wrote the rider, holders of
this theory plan to pin the loss of Mt. Graham squarely on the president.
"Clinton learns from pain, not from praise."

Washington folks who were in or near the room where the deal was cut tell me
that it wasn't so sinister.  "Hey, after lots of vetoes there were seven
nasty
riders left; we got rid of two completely, we got three suspended with
waivers,
one we reworded so it was toothless.  We only had to throw one bone to the
other side."  They were offended that I was asking about the bone instead of
the triumphs.
Why THAT bone?  Because they figured it would do the least harm.  Logging the
Tongass or removing EPA control over wetlands would affect huge areas.  The
"national enviros" would have gone crazy.  The White House folks are honestly
sorry about Mt. Graham, they know they shouldn't allow the Endangered Species
Act to be munched to death by special exception, but it's just 615 acres. 
"We
weren't going to veto the national budget over that."

So the smallest bone got thrown to the Republicans. Environmental deals get
counted like Superbowl scores -- won five, tied one, lost one.  We measure a
sacred place against the national budget and the coming election.  Now
really,
if you got to choose how our nation would make decisions that do irreversible
damage to our few remaining spots of undisturbed land, would you want it done
like this?
The university expects to start construction this summer.  Friends of Mt.
Graham think the rider is unclear enough to take the case back to court. 
Some
members of the Clinton administration say hopefully that the president could
order the Forest Service to enforce the Endangered Species Act in spite of
the
rider.  Meanwhile this week, with fires burning near Mt. Graham, some timber
was cleared from the peak "to protect the telescopes."  The sky island goes
on
shrinking.

Franklin Stanley, a San Carlos Apache spiritual leader says, "Why do you come
and try to take my church away and treat the mountain as if it was about
money
instead of respect?  Nowhere else in the world stands another mountain like
the
mountain you are trying to disturb.  On this mountain is a great life-giving
force.  You have no knowledge of the place you are about to destroy."

(Donella H. Meadows is an adjunct professor of environmental studies at
Dartmouth College.)
+ - Kerdesek Lukihoz (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Kedves Luki es Mindnyajatok!

Legy szives valaszolj ket kerdesre:

1. Mi a DEFINICIOJA a kornyezetbarat sotalanitasi eljarasnak?

2. Be lehet-e bizonyitani, hogy ilyen sotalanitasi eljaras van (nem
   konstruktiv egzisztencia-tetel), avagy be lehet bizonyitani, hogy
   ilyen eljaras nincs?

udv

Bela
+ - egy logikai lyuk (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Kedves Mindnyajatok!

Wolf Gyuri 218-ban megjelent levele teszi aktualissa, hogy most mar
valoban keyboardot ragadjak, es szovategyek egy kornyezetvedok
okfejteseben (meg Diannaeban is!!) gyakran elofordulo lyukat.
Az okfejtes summazata: ha takarekoskodnank az energiaval, akkor nem
lenne szuksegunk atomenergiara. Semmi kifogasom a takarekoskodas ellen,
magam folyo vizcsapok elzarasaval, foloslegesen ego lampak
lekapcsolasaval probalkozom is valamit tenni. Bar tudjuk, hogy nem olyan
egyszeru a dolog, mint amilyennek hirdetik. De a lenyeg: HA
TAKAREKOSKODUNK AZ ENERGIAVAL, AKKOR NEM ATOMENERGIARA NEM LESZ
SZUKSEGUNK, HANEM ARRA, AMELYIK A KORNYEZETET A LEGJOBBAN TERHELI. Ez
persze GONDOS elemzes utan bizonyulhat az atomenergianak is, de nem
feltetlenul. El tudom kepzelni, hogy Magyarorszagon ez valamelyik
szentuzelesu eromu lesz az uveghazhatas, egestermekek rakkelto hatasa,
stb. miatt.

Tenyleg, van arrol statisztika, hogy egy szentuzelesu eromu kozelibb es
tavolibb korzeteben mennyivel no meg a tudorakosok, asztmasok,
allergiasok, stb. szama?

udv

Bela

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